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Does the lender still charge PMI for FHA loans?

I have read PMI occurs when less than 20% is put down on a house.

If you are doing a FHA loan, where the down payment requirement is only 3-3.5%, is PMI still a factor?

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3 Responses to 'Does the lender still charge PMI for FHA loans?'

  1. walyank - December 12th, 2009 at 9:13 am

    Yes.

    Edit = I’ve been trying to remember how we got out of the PMI with a two-mortagage system once but I just can’t. Too long ago. But we did do it with the help of a mortgage broker.

    Something like the second mortgage took care of the 20% requirement for the first and main mortgage. I just don’t remember but there is a way. Try and find a broker through a friend and just straight out ask.

    In the meantime, if you can’t get out of the PMI, keep an eye on it. A lot of lenders will keep on charging you for it even after you have your 20% equity…

  2. Busy Guy - December 12th, 2009 at 9:37 am

    Here’s what the HUD website says:

    Termination of the FHA monthly mortgage insurance premium (MIP) is based on several factors including: the loan term, loan-to-value (LTV) at loan origination and regulations in place when the loan is closed. Generally, loans closed prior to January 1, 2001 will not be eligible for termination of MIP, which is collected as part of your monthly mortgage payment.

    For loans closed on or after January 1, 2001, FHA’s MIP will be automatically terminated under the following conditions:

    1. For mortgages with terms more than 15 years, the MIP will be terminated when the Loan to Value (LTV) ratio reaches 78%, provided the borrower has paid the MIP for at least five years. If the LTV reaches 78% and the borrower has not paid MIP for at least five years then the borrower must continue to pay MIP until the five year requirement is met.

    2. For mortgages with terms 15 years and less and with LTV ratios of 90% and greater, the MIP will be terminated when the LTV ratio reaches 78%, irrespective of the length of time the borrower has paid the MIP.

    3. Mortgages with terms 15 years and less and with LTV ratios of 89.99% and less will not be charged MIP.

    Although the MIP will be terminated as described, the FHA insurance will remain in force for the loan’s full term. This MIP termination provision only applies to loans where the borrower also paid an Up-front MIP at closing.

    FHA will determine when a borrower has reached the 78% LTV ratio based on the lesser of the sales price or appraised value at loan origination. For example, if the lesser of the sales price or the appraised value at origination was $100,000, when the loan amount reaches $78,000, HUD will no longer collect MIP on the loan.

    FHA’s regulations do not permit a borrower to submit a new appraisal to reach the threshold for termination of MIP. Termination of MIP will normally be based on the scheduled amortization of the loan. However, borrowers may reach the 78% threshold in advance of the scheduled amortization because of prepayments of loan principal. A borrower whose loan reaches the 78% LTV threshold sooner than projected because of prepayment may have the MIP terminated (but not sooner than five years from loan closing for loans with terms greater than 15 years) if the borrower has not been more than 30 days delinquent in paying the mortgage payments during the previous 12 months. The borrower must submit a termination request to the lender and the lender must provide the borrower’s request and supporting documentation with respect to the mortgage payments during the last 12 months to FHA for such termination.

    If you have questions regarding the termination of MIP, go to the following HUD website: http://www.hud.gov/offices/hsg/sfh/nsc/nschome.cfm or contact HUD’s National Servicing Center at 1-888-297-8685 for more information.

  3. golferwhoworks - December 12th, 2009 at 10:16 am

    in a FHA note it is MIP and yes it is on all FHA notes for not less than 60 months with even 20% down. But with just 3.5% down it will be there for ever and the cost monthly as well as the up front fee ( even if financed) is based on your credit scores
    I am a mortgage banker in TN & KY